At https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=195808 .

You replied at https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=195808 :

-"While I agree with the principles you declare wholeheartedly and live them daily for right at 50 years, 30 years deep in the trenches at every level from the very top to the very bottom, your comment does not point out any mistakes in fact, law, procedure or principle.

-Shifting the discussion and going off point is not something I will engage in.

-My post had one single point. The term American National is bogus and I provided public record evidence along with simple common sense and logic to back up the statement.
My response to Hobie adds even more foundation to my position."

The above taken with, "I have my public records defining my capacities and they are never challenged." https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=195807 indicates that you have followed procedure that "they" approve of. In effect, you complied with "their" requirements, defined yourself according to their rules and now they leave you alone.

This is performance, which is not mastery but subtle slavery. You have liberty because you dotted the i's and crossed the t's. Liberty is conditional. It does not equate to freedom. If the ship of state should by whim of pleasure or duress or other decide to cancel your shore leave (liberty) then perfection in fact, law, procedure or principle means nothing. The captains word is law and subject to change without notice.

At https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=195896 you state, "A citizen is a participatory member of a political community. Citizenship is gained by meeting the legal requirements of a national, state, or local government. A nation grants certain rights and privileges to its citizens. In return, citizens are expected to obey their country's laws and defend it against its enemies."

Essentially, everything in that declaration is compelled contractual performance under a maritime jurisdiction, meaning failure to comply with condition of contract begets a criminal penalty. That is maritime law and that is compelled performance and that is slavery on land (necessary on the sea).

It would appear that your entire approach to personal sovereignty is to appease the "authorities" so that they will know that you are harmless to them.

"Nation grants..." is not even related to inherent natural rights. These are pretty much opposite things.

American national is simply a way of expressing inherent natural rights as opposed to revocable privileges granted by a nation or other such unnatural entity. It's a spiritual understanding. It's about freedom. That is what I tried to explain in my response at https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=195781 .The American national does not need to consult walls of books or make a career of endless study to grasp the obvious.

I didn't shift the discussion off point. I tried to shift it to point.

In this age words have been engineered to be the ultimate weapon of mass destruction. The art of living communication has been replaced with the cold, calculated -legal- definition.

You have every civil right to disagree with what I have penned, after all forms have been filled out correctly and submitted timely with all fees paid and you have been notified of approval.

Have a nice day.

Mike