Hi,

This is very interesting and both you and Susoni have given me a lot to think about.

Free will seems to be a construct of our 3D dimension. It also seems to be necessary for our souls survival. Agreed, if we impinge upon others free will by bending their thoughts to our will it is a crime, or at least it should be.

I've never heard magic put into groups like this. It's interesting. I once saw a meme that sort of coincides with your authority thoughts. It said, 'Aerodynamically the bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly. But the Bumble Bee doesn't know that so he flies anyway!' He flies because he thinks he has the authority to fly. He has no doubt.

Logic only gives man what he needs, magic gives him what he wants.

thank you both for your answers.

Hi.

: If I might throw a little something on the table for
: discussion.

: I would like to split the subject into two parts.

: One part would be ma-gic, the ma-nagement of things which
: exist.

: The various magics you have mentioned are management practices
: concerning things already exist including time, space and
: circumstances. They are generally based on trade, force of
: will, contracts, deception, supplication, leverage of power
: and so forth as well as higher and more noble motivations.
: Intention determines the color. It is just like real life
: because it is.

: It should be noted that charge of criminal action can apply to
: white or dark practice but not to gray practice where
: outcome is left to determination of the grand or universal
: weaver.

: The next part would be sorcery or sourcing, which is bringing
: something which does not exist into existence. If it is
: needed but not available then create it. Pretty straight
: forward.

: Authority or ability to author, establish would be the key to
: legitimate magic or sourcing. This is something that the
: individual must learn for himself. A master can only take
: one to the edge. From there one must be able to finish
: teaching one's self what he would like to know. It's a
: personal path as unique as the individual practitioner.
: Most importantly I think that authority is not bound by
: ritual or dogma or other crutches.

: Magic and sourcing, in effective form would render the chains
: of material technology servant and not master. Natural
: resources could be utilized and not brutalized.

: This is a nutshell, for what it may be worth. The tree is
: beyond interesting.

: I do think that those who fear artful practice do so because
: they fear themselves.

: Mike

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